Hello! I've heard it said before that TT is really 'behind' one year. IE: Their grade 3 is really grade 2 for most other curriculum. I just finished looking at Horizons 2 and realized a lot of the TT 3 concepts are on there. I'm just curious what your thoughts are on this. Trying to decipher if my son is on track. ;)
Yes, I too have heard that it is behind other math programs. I have known some hsers to go on to technical schools, but I haven't heard of any college bound hsers who have used the program. Does it catch up in the higher grades?
I have heard that many like it more than Saxon.
It goes all the way through Pre-Calculus. I know of many homeschoolers whose kids have used TT exclusively and gone to 4-year universities. They have no problems with getting in or doing well once there.
Horizons at the end of 2nd grade, they are multiplying. So it might not be so much that TT is behind but Horizons just moves really fast.
I think most that uses TT do so for the advance topics like Calculus and Geometry. In all comments and questions I have seen about them from others. Many seem to wait to use it until jr/high school age. But that is what it seems to me.
Horizons is a year ahead of the public schools in our area. I pulled my kids out of ps this year, and my oldest are in 4th and 5th grade. I used placement tests and found out that they needed 4th and 3rd grade Horizons math. I have no experience with TT, but it could be that TT grade levels are more on track with public schools.
I just started TT - at Level 5 - and I don't really think it's "behind" at all. The program goes all the way through Pre-Calculus so maybe - if one considers that other curricula sometimes go through Calculus itself, you could think it's "behind" if a child doesn't do TT Pre-Calc until 12th grade. But, on the other hand, a lot of kids don't need to go all the way through Calc in high school.
Bottom line for me is that my struggling learner in particular - and her sister who does not struggle so much - are actually understanding and thriving now with TT. I'd much rather they actually master all the basics (which, to me means everything through Algebra and Geometry, with math higher than that being optional) than to race through everything and not really learn. But, truly, if a curriculum can take a child through Pre-Calc, that's not "behind" in my book. Even a child who really thrives on math could do TT Pre-Calc in 10th or 11th grade and do Calc with another curriculum. I have heard many reports of kids who used TT exclusively doing very well on college entrance exams and in college itself. I've not heard of anyone not being adequately prepared because of using TT.
I, absolutely, find it behind other products. I don't know how it compares to public school. If I relied on the placement tests, my 8 year old would be doing TT7. While he is good at math - it just doesn't seem reasonable. Perhaps the higher up levels of Calculus are more on target.
I feel that it is behind. Im not sure exactly how much. We are trying it with my 7th grader (we did it years ago with my daughter when she was in 7th grade and she felt it was way too easy). My current 7th grader is working at a 5th or 6th grade math level usually (hes dyslexic) and so far he is getting around 70% on most lessons.
This is the one we had with my son when he was in 7th grade and he said it was way to easy.
My dd is in 7th grade and we are using TT 7. It is our first year using TT.
All the first half of this school year it did seem to be very repetitive for my dd. It seemed easy for her, and mostly like review. But a little before the half way mark of the year, it's been a lot of fractions, which is always good to review because a lot of kids either struggle with that, or even if they are good with it, it still seems to have that whole "use it or lose it" concept, so that it's very important to re-do fractions (adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing) each year, once they learn it, so as to not forget how.
In my public high school they never even offered calculus. I am not sure if it has changed since then. It had algebra, geometry, algebra II, and my senior year I don't think I had any math. It was just all a matter of whether kids took honors level, or lower levels, and there was basic math for those not up to algebra. Then in college there was a basic math class which I took just to count as an easy math credit and to be a refresher, then took calculus after that, which was suppose to be an introduction (awful professer though! - one student was a grade older and a math major and couldn't even understand this professer, between her accent, her complaining all the time that no one could understand her, and that she needed to go home and take a valium - gotta love college!).
It seems to me that TT would be fine as college-prep classes for kids. I mean, unless your child is a math wiz and wants to major in math or something and wants to do advanced right now. But if you are looking for a basic, up to date math curric, I can only give my first year of using it as opinion, but we both are liking it. What I love about it is that if your child can't figure out the correct answer, it SHOWS you how to get it. All other math books I've seen, sure you get the teacher's book with answers (or a workbook that has answers in the back), but it does not break down every problem to show how to get the correct answer. So if you and your child just cannot figure out the correct answer, you are stuck and just have to skip over it. You never know if it was a misprint in the book, or that you just can't figure it out. So for me, that is the best part of TT. We are going to continue with TT next year. I am not sure if we'll move on to pre-algebra, or if I will have my daughter do the placement test. We did algebra last year and I don't know if she needs a refresher, or if she should just go on to algebra itself. But I am glad TT offers a placement test. She might need the pre-algebra as a refresher, I don't know.
Here is my final opinion about TT, now that we've been using it for 1 1/2 years. We began with the pre-algebra book in 7th grade, and are currently using the algebra book for my 8th grader. (Prior to TT, we used Singapore math for 4 years.)
I don't think it matters if it is "behind" or "advanced" or "on track". You use what is good for your child. If you have a child who is advanced in math, use whatever level is good for that. If your child is average in math, use whatever level works for that. If your child is not so good at math and needs extra time or help, do whatever works for that.
My daughter has average math skills. She will likely not be a math major in college. TT works for her learning style and she is a B algebra student. TT works for us, and if we continue using it through high school, meaning algebra II, geometry, pre-calc, then she will have received adequate math instruction. If, like I see many people doing because they are worried about gaps, or behind or ahead, we skip around using different math curriculum, then likely she will not have adequate math instruction.
To sum it up, use it how it works for you. If you think it's "behind" kick it up another level or use something else. ("You" in the general sense of anyone who is thinking of using TT.)
Amen, Lynn! It should never be about "measuring up" to something else. It should be about meeting a child's real needs so s/he can really learn, not just "cover" material to say it's been done. I don't know about where TT is compared to other programs, really - though, again, I don't think there's anything such as "behind" to begin with. What I do know is that my 11-year old who has always had a hard time memorizing her math facts because she's quite right-brained turned off her TT lesson the other day and said (finally!), "Now I understand what subtraction is all about." It was a review lesson from previous TT stuff, of course, but that approach is what clicked and she finally is saying she likes math. If she likes it, she'll engage; if she engages, she'll learn. And, if she has a good grasp up through geometry - given the way I see the Lord leading this child in the future - that will be wonderful.